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Why the Worst Worst-Case Climate Scenario is Going Away (too Slowly)

A long overdue conversation!

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Andy Revkin
May 18, 2026
Cross-posted by Sustain What
"For those interested in the climate change scenarios debate and President Trump's recent comments about it, tune in at 4pm ET/2pm MT (in ~15 minutes) to climate journalist Andy Revkin's (formerly of NYT) livestream, featuring Roger Pielke Jr., Zeke Hausfather, and myself."
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Few concepts in climate science have been more deeply hidden in the weeds, and more consequential, than the scenarios for planet-heating emissions long used by climate modelers and policy makers to figure out our warming future and what to do about it.

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The recent elimination of the worst worst-case scenario, known in the field as RCP8.5 (the “worst” in several senses of the word) has gained new attention thanks to social media posts by President Trump (with heaps of help from his executive assistant) and his White House team:

But the beginning of the end for RCP8.5 came nearly a decade ago, in a keystone 2017 paper by Justin Ritchie and Hadi Dowlatabadi at the University of British Columbia asking this question in its title: “Why do climate change scenarios return to coal?”

Their prime conclusion:

RCP8.5 and other ‘business-as-usual scenarios’ consistent with high CO2 forcing from vast future coal combustion are exceptionally unlikely. Therefore, SSP5-RCP8.5 should not be a priority for future scientific research or a benchmark for policy studies.

The big debate in the climate world now is over whether the end of this worst-case warming outcome was the result of policy and the explosive advance of renewable energy or because it was always wrong.

Updated after the show: There’s been so much action around this debate that I reached out to key figures, and we had a fascinating and productive pop-up discussion. The discussants were Zeke Hausfather of Stripe and Berkeley Earth, Matt Burgess of the University of Wyoming, Roger Pielke Jr., the emeritus University of Colorado prof who’s now at the American Enterprise Institute and Richard Tol, a longtime climate economist at the University of Sussex. See relevant posts by three of these researchers below.

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And LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/events/7462182711378563073

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Matt Burgess responded to President Trump’s social media posts hailing the death of RCP8.5 on his great Guided Civic Revival Substack:

Guided Civic Revival
Thank you for your attention to this (RCP8.5) matter
As many GCR readers know, I have been part of a group of scientists calling attention to the implausibility and overuse of the high-emissions climate change scenario, RCP8.5 (and its cousin SSP5-8.5), for the past several years. (Justin Ritchie of UBC deserves credit for…
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7 days ago · 5 likes · 2 comments · Matt Burgess

Zeke Hausfather and some longtime collaborators just posted a deep look at what’s going on with this scenario and the discussions around it:

The Climate Brink
On the death of RCP8.5
With the release of the new van Vuuren et al 2026 paper on the emissions scenarios that will be used in the upcoming IPCC 7th Assessment Report, the internet has been abuzz with debate over the implications of the formal retirement of the RCP8.5/SSP5-8.5 scenario. The president of the United States even…
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7 days ago · 41 likes · 18 comments · Zeke Hausfather, Glen Peters, and Piers Forster

Roger Pielke Jr., who’s been challenging the emissions scenario and the way it has been used (and abused) for many years. Here’s his new post defending his stance that RCP8.5 was always wrong and another when the news broke. There’s more on The Honest Broker.

The Honest Broker
No, RCP8.5 Did Not Become Implausible Because of Climate Policy
RCP8.5 does not provide a physically consistent worst case BAU trajectory that warrants continued emphasis in scientific research. Accordingly, it does not provide a useful benchmark for policy studies. Ritchie and Dowlatabadi 2017…
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6 days ago · 36 likes · 3 comments · Roger Pielke Jr.
The Honest Broker
🚨RCP8.5 is Officially Dead
“[T]he high-emissions RCP8.5 scenario has long been described as a “business-as-usual” pathway with a continued emphasis on energy from fossil fuels with no climate policies in place. This remains 100% accurate . . .“ — from 2021, Chris Field (co-chair of IPCC WG2 AR5) and Marcia McNutt (president of U.S. National Academy of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine …
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a month ago · 398 likes · 59 comments · Roger Pielke Jr.

Please consider chipping in financially to help me justify the time it takes to host these conversations and write these posts. Believe me, I’d rather be finishing my new song on the red hats that fought ICE and the cooking activism of World Central Kitchen.

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Also read the long analysis of scenarios in science written in 2021 by Roger Pielke and Justin Ritchie for Issues in Science and Technology: How Climate Scenarios Lost Touch With Reality.

A central idea:

The emissions scenarios the climate community is now using as baselines for climate models depend on portrayals of the present that are no longer true. And once the scenarios lost touch with reality, so did the climate, impact, and economic models that depend on them for their projections of the future. Yet these projections are a central part of the scientific basis upon which climate policymakers are now developing, debating, and adopting policies.

And play my song Liberated Carbon to provide a soundtrack while you read:

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